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Topic: The proposed GPA strike
Donnycarney2 (552 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 08:41	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Donnycarney2 (552 Posts)	For it, or agin it? The natives are getting restless. It's not about pay-for play, you know This message has been edited - 09-oct-2007 @ 08:42
Ozzy (1,867 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 08:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Ozzy (1,867 Posts)	Originally posted by Donnycarney2: For it, or agin it? The natives are getting restless. It's not about pay-for play, you know Agin. It's not about pay for play, it's about getting money for playing.
AnReiteoir (Power User)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 09:04	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
AnReiteoir (Power User)	Originally posted by Ozzy: Agin. It's not about pay for play, it's about getting money for playing. Ah sure Dessie has other things on his mind at the moment. As for a strike: How about the next time a player assaults and official we go on strike? How about the next time a player strikes another player and neither apologises nor takes their punishment, we go on strike? How about the next time a player goes against the spirit of the game by engaging in ambush advertising, we go on strike? How about the next time a complete club schedule is ruined for the sake of intercounty games, we go on strike? etc, etc, etc Money grabbing. I will reiterate this so that I am not misunderstood... Professional sports agents masquerading as honest representatives of amature players are a cancer within the GAA. Strike away, the club championship is in full swing and believe me a club team climbing the Croke Park steps without it's county players in March will set a standard or enjoyment and pride that will tell the GPA where to go... This message has been edited - 09-oct-2007 @ 20:33
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 09:09	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Any player that strikes should be banned for life. Farrell won't be happy until he has made it a two tier association, thus destroying the bedrock of the organisation. He's a git who should leave the rest of us alone. This message has been edited - 09-oct-2007 @ 20:34
golden_wonder (115 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 09:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
golden_wonder (115 Posts)	Originally posted by dubliner 2: Any player that strikes should be banned for life. Farrell should be thrown out of the GAA. He won't be happy until he has made it a two tier association, thus destroying the bedrock of the organisation. He's a git who should skulk off and find a real job, leaving the rest of us alone. apologies to go off on a tangent but did anything ever happen with regard to that incident between na fianna and a linesman in the championship this year?
TheSixthSelector (143 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 09:18	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
TheSixthSelector (143 Posts)	This is getting dangerous now. The GPA have done great work in ensuring that players are being treated the way that they deserve. They are definately going too far now though. On another thread there is a quote by Eoin Kelly (Waterford) saying that players should be paid. Couldnt disagree more. Players are dispensable. People follow their county and not their players. Peter Canavan was possibly the greatest player of his generation but when he stopped playing did people stop going to Tyrone matches. I think not.
Deise Vu (1,658 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 09:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Deise Vu (1,658 Posts)	There is no way to have a 'fair' payment. Does the 30th member of the Fermanagh hurling panel get the same as Henry Shefflin? Will Kilkenny suddenly decide to put out a football team for the same reason? On the other hand if star players get more, then inevitably the best hurlers / footballers will move to where the standard and profile is highest. Then you've got the League of Ireland. End of argument.
An-Maor (1,690 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 09:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
An-Maor (1,690 Posts)	Let them strike away. They'll then see what kind of support on the ground they have. I do appreciate the sacrifices made to play at inter county level but its someones own choice to do so. The government are correct in not wanting to administer it too. It would get to a stage where the amateurs of the Knockmult yo-yo team would start looking for grants too. How would the issue of gender equality be addressed? If a Carlow lad wants to play for Kerry (who get better grants) whats to stop him going to the courts under some freedom of movement. Also what about the rest of the association? Will they be given grants also? The underage coaches, the lads who toil selling raffle and lotto tickets. Will there be a going rate per thousand ham sangwiches made?
deiseach (5,099 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 09:41	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
deiseach (5,099 Posts)	You would have thought that the rugby experience, where vast amounts of the resources of the game are being poured into perpetuating an elite that are proving to be far from elite, would make the GAA as a whole recoil from going down the same road. WE can only hope. Where is Eoin Kelly quoted as saying the players should be paid?
TheSixthSelector (143 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 09:51	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
TheSixthSelector (143 Posts)	Originally posted by deiseach: You would have thought that the rugby experience, where vast amounts of the resources of the game are being poured into perpetuating an elite that are proving to be far from elite, would make the GAA as a whole recoil from going down the same road. WE can only hope. Where is Eoin Kelly quoted as saying the players should be paid? Look at the Eoin Kelly strikes again thread. “I don’t know a whole lot about it but they have to do something,” added Kelly. “Pay the players. They have to make it worthwhile for the players.
deiseach (5,099 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 09:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
deiseach (5,099 Posts)	My bad. Thanks for pointing that out to me. Fine, that's his opinion. At least he's honest. I look forward to his proposals to address AnMaor's concerns above. I won't hold my breath.
AnReiteoir (Power User)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 10:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
AnReiteoir (Power User)	Originally posted by golden_wonder: apologies to go off on a tangent but did anything ever happen with regard to that incident between na fianna and a linesman in thechampionship this year? Yes... It is by no means over but suspensions were dealt out... all hush hush at the moment and I won't be the first to break the news. It will be incendiary howeevr...
scalder (3,637 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 10:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
scalder (3,637 Posts)	I’m outraged listening to Dessie this morning, should me and others who fund rasie for intercounty teams receive grants? Should underage mentors receive grants, should Camogie players receive grants? The GAA cannot administer this grant without them crossing the line and once the point is conceded the pressure will be to up the grant and where will that end. This will kill the organisation if its allowed to continue to fester, I can’t see lads killing themselves to raise money for county teams when they are being paid. There argument is with the government, the GAA is amateur and that’s it, if the government want to assist athletes with a scheme let them administer it but that Kerry -------- O’Donoghue was mischievous with how he handled this issue. Not sure how others feel but I would be hopping mad if the Wexford players go on strike. I think within the whole GAA we have created this feeling (from top to bottom) that the organisation owes people something. Its like the sporting equivalent of the welfare culture. Young lads and parents think the clubs should supply them with everything it seems, hurls, gear, food, while if they go down the road to say the Karate club they’d pay for everything through the nose. The damage a strike could do would be horrendous and I’d urge players to step back and think about it, if you can’t give the commitment it would be preferable that you walk away rather than destroy our precious games.
theskull1 (244 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 10:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theskull1 (244 Posts)	I'm 100% in favour of the strike I want these money grabbing *** to see the level of support they really have. The GAA membership would go out of their way to support any other arrangements which would have to be made to fulfill fixtures. Hateful money grabbing *** every one of them This message has been edited - 09-oct-2007 @ 20:35
AnReiteoir (Power User)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 10:29	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
AnReiteoir (Power User)	As a matter of interest... Since some inter-county stars do not have a GPA arranged how can the GPA be certain of all county support... Then again they don't want all counties do they, just the so called elite who can generate advertising revenue. Kerry and Kk (despite DJs influence) have little truck with the GPA, in fact DJ seems to be gradually backing away from this crowd. Answer me this, those of you who would strike... When James McGarrys son lifted the Liam McCarthy cup last month, when Henry Shefflin made that speech, where do you think the ethos for that moment came from? It was as far removed from the GPA and their principles as one can get. This message has been edited - 09-oct-2007 @ 20:36
scalder (3,637 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 10:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
scalder (3,637 Posts)	Dessie and co won’t seek to fight this out with the regular GAA members, they’ll go the “open up Croke Park” route I feel, they’ll look to paint the organisation as mean spirited and backwards, looking for external pressure and fear to force the GAA to change course.
Bad Karma (98 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 10:40	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Bad Karma (98 Posts)	I have two brothers who play inter-county so I see first hand the sacrifices they make but I told them that the day they start looking for money was the day I'd stop going to see them play. I genuinely believe they have no interest in the money thing or at least i don't think they would go shouting from the rooftops about it but if someone were to offer them a few quid for their efforts they probably wouldn't say no either. I think the GPA should conduct a survey among the grassroots to see what kind of support they really have. Judging by the comments on this thread I'd say they'd be sorely disappointed.
Waherfurd bottler (195 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 10:41	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Waherfurd bottler (195 Posts)	For Example: Paul Seevers of Sligo has hurled with the team for over 15 years, nearer 20 i'd say. Paul has had countless injuries i'd say over the years and went to work the next day, been a brilliant hurler and even been called on by Connaught in railway cups. Would a lad like Paul Seevers be less important to the grassroots of the GAA than Henry Shefflin or Joe Deane etc. ? Would the commitment be gives or the hours he trains make him any less of an asset to the game going forward ? He is a role model to the young lads of Sligo to stick at the hurling, those who know what the game is. This message has been edited - 09-oct-2007 @ 20:37
LimerickNomad (Power User)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 10:41	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
LimerickNomad (Power User)	Originally posted by theskull1: I'm 100% in favour of the strike I want these money grabbing b***ds to see the level of support they really have. The GAA membership would go out of their way to support any other arrangements which would have to be made to fulfill fixtures. Hateful money grabbing b***ds every one of them Let's call your bluff then. I think there is almost no support on the ground for this "pay for play" nonsense. Dessie has to have one of the worst, most whingy, voices I've ever heard on radio. Ever! Donal Óg was on the radio as well last evening. The way they are talking you would think that the GAA were impinging on their human rights etc.
LimerickNomad (Power User)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 10:43	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
LimerickNomad (Power User)	Originally posted by scalder: Dessie and co won’t seek to fight this out with the regular GAA members, they’ll go the “open up Croke Park” route I feel, they’ll look to paint the organisation as mean spirited and backwards, looking for external pressure and fear to force the GAA to change course. I don't think Dessie and Co have the brains to pull this off. We need some high profile journos to go up against them to expose the multiple fallacies of their untenable position.
An-Maor (1,690 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 11:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
An-Maor (1,690 Posts)	would it be possible that already a number of senior players are 'looked after' by the county board in relation to their employers? In other words a situation like the one Jack O'Connor alleged to have had in his book and then afterwards remembered that it wasn't that way at all. I would hazard that a fair few inter county players are employed as games promotions officers and the like. Would or Should they be getting grants?
The Baron (64 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 11:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Baron (64 Posts)	Let them strike, let them see what the hard-core of the GAA feel. Without the support of the clubs they can do nothing. They might strike for the League, but I guarantee you one thing they will be back for championship. They couldnt face the idea of not being eligeble for a free car or all of the other freebies that go with it. They couldnt face the idea of not being on our TV screens for the summer. Let them strike, the hard-core will remain long after they have Fuc*ed off!!! This message has been edited - 09-oct-2007 @ 20:38
sam (8,946 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 12:04	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
sam (8,946 Posts)	Presumably they'll strike at short notice leaving counties no time to get together non GPA panels. The problem is then how do we, as punters, then give the GPA the fingers? There'll be rifts opened up if this gets as far as a strike, will lads who strike back down if they see there's no support for them? This could get very messy.
The Baron (64 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 12:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Baron (64 Posts)	Well if they get no support they will have to back down. They can hardly set up their own rival organisation.
deiseach (5,099 Posts)	Posted: 09-Oct-2007 12:10	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
deiseach (5,099 Posts)	Originally posted by sam: Presumably they'll strike at short notice leaving counties no time to get together non GPA panels. That's what the 13 men at the start of the first half, 15 men at the start of the second half rule is there for. If 11 members of a 24 man panel refuse to play right at the throw-in then you've got fifty minutes to get two extra players to start the second half, even if you have to rob a few graves. This message has been edited - 09-oct-2007 @ 12:17

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