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Humphries: Croker nobs put more than a fence between us
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Croker nobs put more than a fence between us
TOM HUMPHRIES
Mon, Sep 20, 2010
LOCKER ROOM: Those gold streamers cascading down from the roof of the Hogan yesterday just made a great event look tacky
HERE’S A THING. Last Friday evening starting at 7pm some 27 members of St Mary’s GAA club in Sligo set off to run from Sligo to Croke Park (make up your own jokes about how Sligo people know the way and then read on ) . They ran a relay system with three on each leg and they reached Croker on Saturday just before 3pm.
Now there are some forms of public transport that wouldn’t get you there that quickly. All along from their town and from people along the way they got incredible support. The runners were made up of players, managers, parents and included former Sligo manager Tommy Breheny.
The whole idea was a little illustration of what the GAA should be about. That spirit of community, of self-sufficiency, of pushing out and being inventive and brave.
From beginning to end the support they received was incredible and when they arrived into Fagan’s of Drumcondra on Saturday evening for a well-deserved sarsparilla or two they looked none the worse for their exertions.
We say they got support from everywhere but that’s not quite true. What hurt them most, well the only thing that hurt them, was that when they got to Croke Park on Saturday afternoon the gates were locked against them.
They just wanted to take a photo. A top of Everest shot. A planting the flag at the pole snap. It’s their GAA and their Croke Park. They are the grassroots which make the association what it is.
Entreaty after entreaty, plea after plea to the high panjandrums of Jones’ Road were turned down, however.
For three months they asked and for three months they were told no. So after 20 hours of running the good GAA people of St Mary’s, Sligo reached Croke Park, stood around for a while and had to turn around and walk away. They’d have got more of a welcome in Lansdowne Road.
I was thinking of them yesterday when the final whistle blew in Croke Park and we went into the sanitised production which is the end-of-the-match malarkey the GAA is so proud of. Those unable to afford the seats were watching like sodden herons from behind Croker’s obscene Hill 16 fencing, wondering what it’s all about.
How they must have longed to be out on the pitch invading and stampeding and pillaging like their fathers and their fathers before them. (It occurs here that had the good people of St Mary’s been let in to Croker on Saturday maybe they’d have stampeded and killed each other and sued the GAA as a fund-raising wheeze. The Association can’t be too careful these days. )
Nobody seriously calls for pitch invasions or stampedes but a couple of thousand people on the pitch certainly used to make for a little bit of atmosphere and fun. Yesterday, those tacky gold streamers cascaded down from the roof of the Hogan for three seconds filling us peasants with awe and wonder but making the event look like the aftermath of a scoreless draw between Birmingham and Stoke City in the Premiership.
Our hearts had scarcely stopped racing after the incredible spectacle which preceded the game of a large flag in the Cork colours and a large flag in the Down colours being carried on to the field and being shaken up and down as if to clear off crumbs. The shaking was done by school children who had to wait on the field so long doing their shaking we almost rang an expert in labour law to inquire about their status.
All this came just after the silent movie which marked the end of the minor game. Croke Park has decided the tradition of the winning minor captain making a speech is unseemly and has canned that plus the annual ramble which we used to get from the bishop handing over the trophy. Instead, culturally unique as we are, we got U2 and The Pogues blasted out over the PA.
Where are we going with all this? Seriously. How much more distance is Croke Park going to put between itself and the people who made the place what it is? We are told that when the committee that meets to discuss such things opted to press the mute button on minor captains everybody there was in favour of shutting the senior captains up also and this eventuality wouldn’t be far down the road.
Soon Mr Marty Morrissey will accept all trophies and make the speeches on behalf of the counties. No requests for songs or ditties will be entertained and all customers shall remain silent and leave in an orderly fashion.
You know I don’t know how many times in a year I have the GAA conversation. You know the one. Where we just sit back and marvel at what an incredible and unique organisation we have on our hands. We talk about how it brings us together, about how the atmosphere at any event from a bitter club game to, say, this month’s All-Ireland hurling final can be like nothing you could experience anywhere on earth.
We talk about the games, the people who play them, we give out about the GAA but we do so with love. It’s in our DNA, it has cradled us and nursed us and carried us in strong arms to this point where it feels like home for us.
And how many times recently have we spoken with regret and sorrow about how it is changing and how alienating the changes feel. We used to fret when the GPA started that a gap would open between the elite of the playing grades and their less gifted comrades back in the clubs. We should have worried about the organisation drifting away from its heart.
Keeping the St Mary’s people outside instead of letting them in to take a photograph, the oppressively symbolic fencing, the campaign to push the Cumann na mBunscol finals out of Croke Park where they have been held since 1928 (every county in the country should be given a day in the place, for God’s sake ) , the loss this week of Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh’s comforting voice. These are all worrying, perplexing and slightly hurtful things for the grassroots.
Nobody owns the GAA. We have a lease on it. We have borrowed it not from Cusack and Davin and the boys but from our children and our grandchildren and we are obliged to hand it over in better condition than we found it.
There were so many wonderful moments in Croke Park this year and there were millions more on pitches and in clubs around the country but Croke Park feels increasingly sanitised and corporate and those who thought of it as home now go there feeling like customers in a bespoke store.
We don’t want it to be like the Premiership or the Super Bowl when we go. We want it to be brothy and slightly chaotic and trembling with passion and to give us that tingle in the spine, that feeling of Irishness so hard to find in these bad times.
We’ve lost that loving feeling.
© 2010 The Irish Times
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Originally posted by Site Admin:
Croker nobs put more than a fence between us
TOM HUMPHRIES
Mon, Sep 20, 2010
LOCKER ROOM: Those gold streamers cascading down from the roof of the Hogan yesterday just made a great event look tacky
HERE’S A THING. Last Friday evening starting at 7pm some 27 members of St Mary’s GAA club in Sligo set off to run from Sligo to Croke Park (make up your own jokes about how Sligo people know the way and then read on ) . They ran a relay system with three on each leg and they reached Croker on Saturday just before 3pm.
Now there are some forms of public transport that wouldn’t get you there that quickly. All along from their town and from people along the way they got incredible support. The runners were made up of players, managers, parents and included former Sligo manager Tommy Breheny.
The whole idea was a little illustration of what the GAA should be about. That spirit of community, of self-sufficiency, of pushing out and being inventive and brave.
From beginning to end the support they received was incredible and when they arrived into Fagan’s of Drumcondra on Saturday evening for a well-deserved sarsparilla or two they looked none the worse for their exertions.
We say they got support from everywhere but that’s not quite true. What hurt them most, well the only thing that hurt them, was that when they got to Croke Park on Saturday afternoon the gates were locked against them.
They just wanted to take a photo. A top of Everest shot. A planting the flag at the pole snap. It’s their GAA and their Croke Park. They are the grassroots which make the association what it is.
Entreaty after entreaty, plea after plea to the high panjandrums of Jones’ Road were turned down, however.
For three months they asked and for three months they were told no. So after 20 hours of running the good GAA people of St Mary’s, Sligo reached Croke Park, stood around for a while and had to turn around and walk away. They’d have got more of a welcome in Lansdowne Road.
I was thinking of them yesterday when the final whistle blew in Croke Park and we went into the sanitised production which is the end-of-the-match malarkey the GAA is so proud of. Those unable to afford the seats were watching like sodden herons from behind Croker’s obscene Hill 16 fencing, wondering what it’s all about.
How they must have longed to be out on the pitch invading and stampeding and pillaging like their fathers and their fathers before them. (It occurs here that had the good people of St Mary’s been let in to Croker on Saturday maybe they’d have stampeded and killed each other and sued the GAA as a fund-raising wheeze. The Association can’t be too careful these days. )
Nobody seriously calls for pitch invasions or stampedes but a couple of thousand people on the pitch certainly used to make for a little bit of atmosphere and fun. Yesterday, those tacky gold streamers cascaded down from the roof of the Hogan for three seconds filling us peasants with awe and wonder but making the event look like the aftermath of a scoreless draw between Birmingham and Stoke City in the Premiership.
Our hearts had scarcely stopped racing after the incredible spectacle which preceded the game of a large flag in the Cork colours and a large flag in the Down colours being carried on to the field and being shaken up and down as if to clear off crumbs. The shaking was done by school children who had to wait on the field so long doing their shaking we almost rang an expert in labour law to inquire about their status.
All this came just after the silent movie which marked the end of the minor game. Croke Park has decided the tradition of the winning minor captain making a speech is unseemly and has canned that plus the annual ramble which we used to get from the bishop handing over the trophy. Instead, culturally unique as we are, we got U2 and The Pogues blasted out over the PA.
Where are we going with all this? Seriously. How much more distance is Croke Park going to put between itself and the people who made the place what it is? We are told that when the committee that meets to discuss such things opted to press the mute button on minor captains everybody there was in favour of shutting the senior captains up also and this eventuality wouldn’t be far down the road.
Soon Mr Marty Morrissey will accept all trophies and make the speeches on behalf of the counties. No requests for songs or ditties will be entertained and all customers shall remain silent and leave in an orderly fashion.
You know I don’t know how many times in a year I have the GAA conversation. You know the one. Where we just sit back and marvel at what an incredible and unique organisation we have on our hands. We talk about how it brings us together, about how the atmosphere at any event from a bitter club game to, say, this month’s All-Ireland hurling final can be like nothing you could experience anywhere on earth.
We talk about the games, the people who play them, we give out about the GAA but we do so with love. It’s in our DNA, it has cradled us and nursed us and carried us in strong arms to this point where it feels like home for us.
And how many times recently have we spoken with regret and sorrow about how it is changing and how alienating the changes feel. We used to fret when the GPA started that a gap would open between the elite of the playing grades and their less gifted comrades back in the clubs. We should have worried about the organisation drifting away from its heart.
Keeping the St Mary’s people outside instead of letting them in to take a photograph, the oppressively symbolic fencing, the campaign to push the Cumann na mBunscol finals out of Croke Park where they have been held since 1928 (every county in the country should be given a day in the place, for God’s sake ) , the loss this week of Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh’s comforting voice. These are all worrying, perplexing and slightly hurtful things for the grassroots.
Nobody owns the GAA. We have a lease on it. We have borrowed it not from Cusack and Davin and the boys but from our children and our grandchildren and we are obliged to hand it over in better condition than we found it.
There were so many wonderful moments in Croke Park this year and there were millions more on pitches and in clubs around the country but Croke Park feels increasingly sanitised and corporate and those who thought of it as home now go there feeling like customers in a bespoke store.
We don’t want it to be like the Premiership or the Super Bowl when we go. We want it to be brothy and slightly chaotic and trembling with passion and to give us that tingle in the spine, that feeling of Irishness so hard to find in these bad times.
We’ve lost that loving feeling.
© 2010 The Irish Times
This is the first breaking of ranks from the press corps, and about time too. Having said that, the scene yesterday where the Down squad walked over to Cork at the Davin end and congratulated them was an act of sportsmanship reminiscent of Offaly applauding Antrim off the pitch in 1989 which probably could never have happened if the crowd milled on.
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Hit the nail on the head there. I noticed that there was hardly a sinner in the ground when Cork were parading the trophy around the pitch. And Cooney making a big loud speech like a drunk eejit in a pub. I was at the hurling final a few weeks back and ity was the same sanitised rubbish. I hate Croke Park for what it is and what it has become.
The GAA should be disbanded, two seperate boards formed, one for hurling and another for hurling. Thurles should be developed to hold 70000 people and the All Ireland Hurling Final should be played there.
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It really is difficult to stomach what Cooney and Co have done and yet there are apologists for this cultural terrorist on this website. That fence is the most obscene thing the GAA has done in 125 years. As for their treatment of the St Mary`s crew shame on the GAA and anyone who cares to answer for them.
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Well said, Tom Humphries. Cooney has done more damage to the GAA in two years than all previous presidents accumulated during their respective tenures. Mind you, as an employee of an organisation, namely Fas, that treats the public`s money with contempt, it`s perhaps not surprising that Cooney treats the GAA public with the same level of disdain.
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Fair play to Tom Humphries for being the first respected journalist to break ranks with the fawning pack on the emergence of that commercial corporation Croke Park PLC.
East Stand says he hates Croke Park for what it has become and as much as it sticks in my craw to say it, so do I. At times I feel disloyal to our organisation, but the suits that run Croker are not representative of the feelings of the common GAA man and woman. St. Mary`s running all the way from Sligo and being refused entry is the perfect example. The treatment of a gentle softly-spoken elderly man from Co. Down by security at a vocational schools final, which I have mentioned on here before. The warmth has gone completely from the place and I much prefer going to Thurles or Parnell Park or Pearse Stadium, where the face of officialdom that greets you actually cares about the game and the fans who attend.
The same cannot be said of Croke Park now, where the same bouncers who keep you back from the stage at Slane are greeting you with all of the warmth of a prison guard letting you in to the canteen for meal break.
Tom says the people of St.Mary`s would have got a better welcome at Landsdowne Road - by this stage its actually true! Like I`ve said on here before - watch out for the provincial finals next year, as hired security is on its way to a provincial stadium near you.
John Mullane complained about the ticket prices in Munster earlier on this year. Wait until they add the security & sanitisation costs of McKenna and Cooney to the tickets for Munser/Leinster/Connacht/Ulster finals.
Tom Humphries is a brave man to break ranks on this as journalists can have access privileges restricted at Croker if they cross certain lines. Happens at the White House and works very well in Croker as may be evidenced by the amount of journos who capitulate completely.
If anyone wants to get a sense of what is happening at Croker, watch Wag the Dog. One paid official is driving the agenda here and he is not Paraic Duffy. Question is how long are people going to stand for this and will people come together to voice their opinions in a mass, tangible way. You need a cause though, as you can`t just rail against the system. You need a shortlist of very specific aims.
So draw them up - five specific aims or requests to Croker and then get a campaign going - website, twitter, facebook.
Paper petition would be much more powerful, sent to all clubs. If you`re lucky, the club secretary might offer people the chance to sign.
The ethos of Croker has got to change and very soon, we are losing touch with our HQ here. Do people care enough to change this?
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The sight of a sea of supporters on the pitch was a great one, I was at the Camogie final last week and it was a bit of an anticlimax at the final whistle, no outpouring onto the pitch. What’s this about attempts to end the Cumann na mbunscoil finals in Croker and what was the problem with letting the Sligo folks in for a photo? I know there is always two sides to ever story but it seems uncalled for!
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Originally posted by scalder:
The sight of a sea of supporters on the pitch was a great one, I was at the Camogie final last week and it was a bit of an anticlimax at the final whistle, no outpouring onto the pitch. What’s this about attempts to end the Cumann na mbunscoil finals in Croker and what was the problem with letting the Sligo folks in for a photo? I know there is always two sides to ever story but it seems uncalled for!
Yet they have no problem letting the Aussie cricket team out for a bowl around next weekend.
I love the GAA and the people in it - but I hate what Croke Park has turned into. They should give it to the soccer lot or knock it.
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Originally posted by scalder:
The sight of a sea of supporters on the pitch was a great one, I was at the Camogie final last week and it was a bit of an anticlimax at the final whistle, no outpouring onto the pitch. What’s this about attempts to end the Cumann na mbunscoil finals in Croker and what was the problem with letting the Sligo folks in for a photo? I know there is always two sides to ever story but it seems uncalled for!
I haven`t heard about the Cumann na mBunscoil thing - any details?
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The worst of all is that way that RTE are participating in the the propoganda. When you hear Marty, Michael, et al spouting what can only be described as Goebbels inspired drivel straight from the pen of the Croke Park PR machine you wonder what happened to our supposedly independent national media (funded in good part by the licence fee ) .
They even did their best to cut Joe Brolly off yesterday when he had the audacity to say that he thought what they were doing was wrong.
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Brilliant article. It is strange the way RTE going along with it, unless they think it makes better TV.
In fairness to Newstalk (off the ball ) and Today FM (Matt Cooper ) they too have been raising doubts about both the fence and the pitch "invasions". RTE however seem to be towing the Croke park line completely.
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RTE are afraid of their lives of not toeing the line and Croke Park are now calling the shots with choice of commentator, panelist etc as well. This will be a condition of a continued contract with RTE for the rights.
The people they are not happy with have been singled out, but it would not be fair to the individuals involved to name them.
I kid you not.
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Originally posted by CB:
Brilliant article. It is strange the way RTE going along with it, unless they think it makes better TV.
In fairness to Newstalk (off the ball ) and Today FM (Matt Cooper ) they too have been raising doubts about both the fence and the pitch "invasions". RTE however seem to be towing the Croke park line completely.
And the obsequious way Carty and Lyster talk about "the Uachtarán"
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Good man Tom. Tell it like it is. We are losing something important in the new sqeaky clean `Corporate Park`.
Maybe it shoud be renamed?
We are docile flock of sheep all the same to accept the treatment doled out to us with barely a growl. You can see the same weakness in our response to the national economic disaster and the craven response of our leaders to the money men.
Disappointed in the Rebel supporters not making a drive for the pitch after a historic and long awaited title and the same for the Tipp after their great victory.
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If fans behaved themselves and obeyed instructions, there would be no need for all those bouncers.
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The reality is that we have a lot more talk than action. People need to show their displeasure in a way that is highly visible and sends the message home. The even RTE and the other sycophants can`t ignore it.
It is clear that free speech and/or protest signs will not be tolerated in Croke Park, as evidenced by the paid enforcers of the law in our country (An Garda Síochána ) operating a no-protest policy on behalf of McKenna and Cooney.
Ironically, the Gardai wouldn`t be allowed to stop a protest on Jones`s Road.
Get the thumbs out lads and lassies. There`s no good whingeing and doing nothing else.
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Originally posted by Halpin:
If fans behaved themselves and obeyed instructions, there would be no need for all those bouncers.
The bunting was a bit cringeworthy alright although I can fully understand the issue of the fencing if there`s a need for it. For example, is there an issue in getting insurance for the stadium if people tear onto the pitch together? Will the premium by reduced substantially now that the fencing has been erected?
If there are these legitimate concerns, then the head honchos in the GAA have not sold it properly.
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amazing on the sunday game live yesterday
Spillane, O`Rourke started to give out about the lack of fans on the pitch and the sterile nature of the whole thing
Lyster cut off the discussion as if he was under orders not to allow any debate.
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Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
amazing on the sunday game live yesterday
Spillane, O`Rourke started to give out about the lack of fans on the pitch and the sterile nature of the whole thing
Lyster cut off the discussion as if he was under orders not to allow any debate.
Isn`t Lester sitting on some committe in Croke Park?
If the real reason behind the pitch invasiuon thing is to lower the insurance premiums, then fair enough - but why can`t they come out and say that? What annoys me about this is they think they can hoodwink an entire nation with their PR machine rabbiting on about people getting trampled to death - do they think we`re stupid or something?
If the players came out and said they wanted the pitch to themselves, then fair enough as well.
What sickens me is that it`s the grassroots that make this organisation what it is and Croke Park should be there for everyone - but now we`re left with "Corporate park" as Coddler said and I can`t fvcking stand the place and everything it stands for.
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Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
amazing on the sunday game live yesterday
Spillane, O`Rourke started to give out about the lack of fans on the pitch and the sterile nature of the whole thing
Lyster cut off the discussion as if he was under orders not to allow any debate.
Spillane capitulated, O` Rourke and Brolly tried to raise the issue and were cut off by Lyster. Spillane is being cute here as this might gain him brownie points in the cull being ordered by Croker on panelists and commentators for RTE. He might need a few brownie points to survive it.
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I like the idea of the players having a few minutes together but not at the expense of no supporters allowed on the pitch ever.
A waiting period that everyone is allowed on after wouldn`t work because of the extra crush.
Perhaps an idea that the GAA would go for, have it like a concert and include 4000 pitch tickets to each team that have a €10 surcharge. Let these tickets go solely to the clubs and they give them to the people who matter most - players and volunteers at club level rather than to "supporters only", who go to a few club and county games in the year.
4000 people surely could make it onto the pitch in a safe manner.
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Originally posted by JoNinety:
I like the idea of the players having a few minutes together but not at the expense of no supporters allowed on the pitch ever.
A waiting period that everyone is allowed on after wouldn`t work because of the extra crush.
Perhaps an idea that the GAA would go for, have it like a concert and include 4000 pitch tickets to each team that have a €10 surcharge. Let these tickets go solely to the clubs and they give them to the people who matter most - players and volunteers at club level rather than to "supporters only", who go to a few club and county games in the year.
4000 people surely could make it onto the pitch in a safe manner.
Well that might work - but where would you seat them? At least that way, the people that deserve to be on the pitch will be there.
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Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh was on Raidio na Gaeltachta just now and the presenter suggested to him that the player should be allowed a few minutes, after which the crowd could enter the playing area. He didn`t have a problem with it.
Mickey Harte
Colm O` Rourke
Joe Brolly
Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh
Tom Humphries
Anyone else high profile who has stated a preference on this in favour of the fans?
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Agree completely with Humphs, the Hill looks terrible at present. You cannot see through the perspex/glass when it rains. Notice also the atmosphere in the ground seems to have changed since it became what one observer called yesterday " a concentration camp!"
Whats with the security coming out with 10 minutes to go, I think it effects the players, several appeared to lose concentration yesterday.
The streamers are tacky in the extreme......more and more like the rugby/soccer stuff where sometimes its the highlight of the occasion!
By all means let the presentation take place let the lap of honour take place, let the players meet each other but then open the gates and let the fans walk onto the pitch.
Agreed in recent times, Croke Park has become a cold, sanitised arena, there is no sense of the personal there any more, you are just faced with hard faced security fellows everywhere you look and many simply stare into the crowd!
I`ve never heard that there were death threats made to the President or the Ard Chomhairle or the other suits!
This seems to be an agenda driven by Mr Duffy and Mr Cooney, in an attempt to modernise the events! Must we copy Thomond Park which has been effectively sanitised also? Has anyone been there lately..... the passion has disappeared with the Corporate seats.
The amazing thing is that they reject any effort at bringing Video cameras, electronic clocks, or even technology to determine whether a sliotar has gone inside or outside the posts. ( yesterday the minor ref allowed 2 minutes extra time although the Tyrone guys wasted at the very least 5 minutes lying on the field in the second half )
I noticed how discussion on the matter was shut off on RTE also....una duce una voce, we may as well tune in to Bill O`Herlihy soon!
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Originally posted by a langer boy:
Whats with the security coming out with 10 minutes to go, I think it effects the players, several appeared to lose concentration yesterday.
I can never understand why the security staff need to be told by loudspeaker to go to their end of match positions.
Could they not just look a their watch and stroll out without having to be told. Are they thick or something?
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‘We talk just like lions, but we sacrifice like lambs…’.
Whatever Happened to….
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Bin Tags Don't Make a County
‘Some a’ Dem’ Lads are only Dow-en for the Showers….’
Heavenly Hurling: How the Gods pass their time...
GAA Time and Real Time
Saint Patrick and the camogie princesses
Keats and Chapman at the Munster Final
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