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Topic: All Ireland Minor Hurling final 2012
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 04-Sep-2012 14:15	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	The Independent writer or researcher with reference to the following need a kick up the h*le! Stars of future are going to be bigger than ever WHAT are we feeding them? Proof that the latest generation of Ireland's teenagers are bigger than their predecessors can be verified by a glance at the physique of Tipperary's minor hurlers for Sunday's underage final against Dublin. Yes, their squad contains five lads at 5'9" but over half of them are six foot or taller and they include three who are 6'2", four who are 6'3" and two more players who are 6'4"! Tipp manager Willie Ryan, the ex-county senior who is a brother-in-law of Eoin Kelly, is just 33 and also has a very young back-room team in Noel Morris, Brian Horgan (both 36) and Martin Maher (Brendan's brother, who is only 30). Ryan is certainly no stranger to Dublin's underage scene as he was a minor hurling selector for the Dubs in 2008, when their current manager Shay Boland was also in charge. Source: http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/allireland-hurling-final-diary-3217923.html ............................................................. If the can't get William Maher right then maybe they need not bother!. Back to the game, should be a humdinger. Two very strong and physical teams but with still a huge amount of skill. Hurling wise this has the potential to be better than the Senior game. Tipperary are clear favorites with the bookies but Dublin are in the final on merit. Team selection for Tipp should be similar to the semi with Sean Ryan probably pushing for a start again instead of Kevin Slattery. Any word on the Dublin team?
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 04-Sep-2012 14:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Some great bits of info from Ger Ryan on The Tipperary Gaa website yet again for those interested in things All Ireland Minor final & Tipperary related. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snippets Titles Tipperary have won 37 Munster titles and been All Ireland Champions on 18 occasions. All Ireland victories were achieved against; Kilkenny – 1930, 1932, 1949, 1956, 1957 1959, 1976 Galway – 1933, 1947, 1955, 1982, 1996, 2006. Dublin - 1952, 1953, Laois – 1934 Wexford – 1980 Cork – 2007 Defeats Tipperary have been beaten in twelve All Ireland Finals by – Kilkenny – 1935, 1950, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1991, 2002. Dublin – 1945, 1946, 1954 Galway – 1999 Offaly – 1987 Previous meetings Tipperary and Dublin have met on six occasions in the Minor Championship All Ireland Finals 2/9/1945 Croke Park Dublin 3-14 Tipperary 4-6 1/9/1946 Croke Park Dublin 1-6 Tipperary 0-7 7/9/1952 Croke Park Tipperary 9-9 Dublin 2-3 6/91953 Croke Park Tipperary 8-6 Dublin 3-6 5/91954 Croke Park Dublin 2-7 Tipperary 2-3 All Ireland Quarter Final 24/7/2004 Dr. Cullen Park, Carlow Tipperary 2-14 Dublin 1-11. Croke Cup Winners 5 members of the Tipperary minor hurling panel – Tadhg Gallagher, Killian Gleeson, Jack Loughnane, Steven O’Brien and Jack Peters won All Ireland senior hurling colleges A Croke Cup medals with Nenagh CBS this year. It was the school’s first victory in the competition. All Ireland minor winners 5 Tipperary players will be seeking a minor medal double – captain Bill Maher, Dylan Fitzell, Tom Kirwan, John McGrath and Steven O’Brien all won minor football All Ireland medals in 2011. Captains The six Tipperary teams which have played Dublin in the Minor champions have been captained by – Pat Stakelum (Holycross Ballycahill) 1945 Paddy Kenny (Borris-Ileigh )1946 Tony Wall (Thurles Sarsfields ) 1952 Billy Quinn (Rahealty) 1953 Liam Quinn (Holycross-Ballycahill) 1954 Richie McGrath (Carrick Davins) 2004 The Mahers Maher is a popular name in Tipp and is prevalent in the current team and management as well as teams of the past. William and Martin Maher are manager and a selector with the current panel. The captain is Bill Maher and there are 4 other Mahers on the panel – Jimmy, Paul, Ronan and Sean. 4 of Tipperary’s All Ireland minor winning captains have been Mahers – Brendan in 2007; current manager, William in 96; Jim in 1980 and Con in 1934. Provincial double Prior to 2012 the last time that Tipperary and Dublin were Provincial champions was in 2007. That double was also achieved in 1945, 1946, 1947, 1952, 1953, 1954 and 1983. The only time that neither county went on to win the All Ireland title was in 1983, when Galway beat Tipp in a semi-final replay and Dublin in the Final. Family Connections John McGrath is brother of senior and former underage star Noel and son of Pat who represented Tipperary at all grades of hurling and football and won an All Ireland senior hurling medal in 1989. John is first cousin of Liam who captained Tipperary to the minor football title in 2011. Ronan Maher is a brother of All Star, Padraic Maher, who captained Tipperary to win the 2010 under 21 All Ireland title and has also won minor and senior All Irelands. Dylan Fizell of Cashel King Cormacs, who captained this year’s minor football team, is a nephew of Pat Fitzell who played hurling for Tipp for many years Tom Fox is a nephew of former hurler of the year and All Star, Pat Fox. Tadhg Gallagher is a brother of Joe who was on the Tipperary under 21 hurling team this year and who also played minor hurling for the county. Barry Heffernan is a brother of Mikey Heffernan who has won minor, under 21 and senior All Ireland medals with Tipperary. His father, Liam and uncles, John and Brian Heffernan, all represented Tipperary with John winning an All Ireland senior hurling medal. Team captain Bill Maher is a second cousin of 2010 All Ireland winning Tipperary captain, Eoin Kelly. Conor Lanigan is a son of Tony Lanigan who played for Holycross Ballycahill, represented Tipperary at minor, under 21 and senior hurling and is currently an under 21 selector with the county. Jack Loughnane is a second cousin of selector Martin Maher and current Tipp senior player, Brendan Maher. Panellists from Clonoulty Rossmore Jimmy Maher and Sean Maher are first cousins. Goal shy There have only been two All Ireland Minor finals which failed to produce a goal. Dublin lost to Galway, by 0-10 to 0-7 in 1983, while Tipperary lost to Galway in 1999, by 0-13 to 0-10.Amazingly that year’s Senior final didn’t see a green flag either, as Cork pipped Kilkenny by 0-13 to 0-12. Record scorer The highest individual scoring return in a Tipperary v Dublin Minor fixture was Sean McLoughlin’s (Thurles Sarsfields) 4-2 in the 1953 All Ireland Final Player to Runai Present Tipperary Co. Board Runai, Tim Floyd, was a member of the Tipperary Minor squad which ended a 17 year losing sequence, by winning the 1976 All Ireland title. The team Coach was Michael V O’ Grady, then based in Cashel, who subsequently served as Coach or Manager with Tipperary, Wexford, Limerick and Dublin Senior teams as well as helping Antrim in their march to the 1989 All Ireland Final. Tipperary referees Four Tipperary men have refereed All Ireland Minor Finals . They were- Tommy Foran (Carrick On Suir) 1966 Drawn Final -Wexford v Cork, John Moloney (Galtee Rovers, Bansha) 1972- Kilkenny v Cork, Willie Barrett (Ardfinnan) 1990 Draw & Replay- Kilkenny v Cork Johnny Ryan (Boherlahan Dualla) 2011 -Galway v Dublin. Minor Selector and Chairman County chairman, Sean Nugent, was a minor hurling selector from 1989 to 91. Premier top Tipperary’s top scorers in the six championship meetings against Dublin were – 1945: Jack Harris 2-3 1946: Paddy Kenny 0-5 1952: Sean McLoughlin 3-2 1953: Sean McLoughlin 4-2 1954: Liam Connolly & Liam O’ Mahoney 1-0 each. 2004: Darragh Hickey 1-6 Last score Colm Larkin (Borrisokane) was the last man to score for Tipperary against Dublin in the Minor championship. His second point was Tipp’s final score in the quarter final meeting, at Carlow in 2004. Colm lined out at left half forward and his colleague at right half forward Shane Long (Gortnahoe Glengoole) contributed a point to Tipperary’s tally. Saving face Tipperary had high hopes of winning the 1945 All Ireland Final but Dublin progressed from being 1-7 to 1-4 ahead at the break, to fourteen points clear in the second half. Three late goals from Jack Harris, William Molloy and Noel Egan brought respectability to the scoreboard. Dublin’s eventual winning margin was only five points. In the 2004 quarter final meeting Tipperary held a ten point half time lead (1-9 to 0-2) and had stretched it to fifteen (2-12 to 0-3) after forty minutes. Boosted by top scorer Kevin O’ Reilly with 0-9, Dublin eventually reduced Tipperary’s winning margin to six points. Drama and defeat The most dramatic Minor game between the counties was the 1946 All Ireland final played at Croke Park on September 1st. The game was enhanced by the brilliant goalkeeping of team captain Geoff Sutton (Dublin) and William (Billy) O’ Brien (Tipperary), which was the main reason for a half time score of 0-3 to 0-2, in favour of Dublin. Paddy Kenny’s point scoring saw Tipp leading by 0-7 to 0-6, as the game entered its final minute. Dublin then managed to get the ball into the Tipp net for a two point lead. The prevailing view was that Nenagh’s O’Brien had been charged into the Tipp net as Liam Donnelly scored Dublin’s goal. The referee, MJ (Inky) Flaherty from Galway, consulted both umpires for approximately three minutes and match reports suggest that, while they believed a foul had been committed, the man in the middle “persuaded” them to allow the goal. There wasn’t time for Tipp to respond and Dublin retained their title in dramatic circumstances. Sixty years ago On September 7th 1952 Tipperary won the county’s seventh All Ireland Minor title with a whopping 9-9 to 2-3 victory over Dublin, at Croke Park. The light blues played with the wind and sun in the first half but were ‘’blinded by Tipperary’s pace and physically out muscled’’ according to The Irish Independent report by E D Fitzgibbon. Amazingly there was only one point separating the teams at half time, with Tipperary ahead by 1-2 to 1-1. The second half saw the Munster champions at their best, adding 8-7 to Dublin’s 1-2 in reply. Tipperary- Eddie Moloughney, Dick Quinn, Eddie McGrath, Eamon Burke, Frank Dyer, Bill Hayes, Liam Quinn, Phil Hennessy (1-1), Billy Quinn, Liam Devaney (2-1), Tony Wall (0-2 capt.) Sean Mc Loughlin (3-2), Michael Butler (0-2), John Browne(1-0) and Paddy Cleary(2-1). Sub. Sean Mc Govern for E Burke. Referee- John Conroy ( Laois) Exception The only All Ireland Minor title which Tipperary won without being Munster champions was that of 2006. After Cork had beaten the Premier county in the Provincial final, at Semple Stadium, the blue and gold overcame Carlow in the quarter final , Kilkenny in the semi-final and three in a row seeking Galway on All Ireland Final Sunday. Lucky numbers In winning their 18 All Ireland titles Tipperary have beaten a total of thirteen counties – Cork, Limerick, Clare, Waterford, Kerry, Galway Roscommon, Kilkenny, Laois, Wexford, Dublin Carlow, and Antrim. Five games If Tipperary win this year’s All Ireland Final the honour will have been achieved over five games. However that challenge is nothing new to the county, as eleven previous titles were also annexed by playing five games. The longest successful campaign was that of 2006, when six games were played (won five & lost one) and the shortest route was in 1980 when only Cork, Limerick and Wexford were overcome to win Provincial and All Ireland honours. Half way there It is interesting to note that in all six games between the counties at Minor level, the team which led at half time went on to win the game. Doubling up Last year Tipperary and Dublin met in the All Ireland Minor football final and this year they meet in the hurling equivalent. The counties previously had consecutive meetings over both codes in 1954 (Dublin won the hurling) and in 1955 (Dublin won the football). No other counties have met in consecutive Minor hurling and football deciders. Words of praise Tipperary may have been disappointed, when Dublin stopped their bid for a three in a row of All Ireland titles in 1954, but they had the consolation of participating in a tremendous final. The Irish Independent correspondent CF (Con) Kenealy reported that –‘’ It was probably one of the finest Minor Hurling finals ever played at Headquarters and into the hour was packed as much first class hurling as one could wish to see.’’ Golden day On September 5th 1965 Dublin beat Limerick in the All Ireland Minor Final by 4-10 to 2-7 to lift the county’s fourth title in the grade. Later that afternoon Tipperary beat Wexford by 2-16 to 0-10 to win their county’s 21st All Ireland Senior title. The expectation was that both counties would become regular opponents in the years ahead. It didn’t work out that way and apart from the Under 21 All Ireland final in 1967, when Tipp won by 1-8 to 1-7 and the 2004 minor quarter final, the counties hardly saw each other. Tipperary won a senior qualifier meeting at Parnell Park in July 2007, but they didn’t clash in a championship game at Croke Park until the All Ireland semi Final of 2011 – their first encounter there since the 1961 final Tipperary’s All Ireland minor winning captains 1930 Jack Russell (Thurles Sarsfields), 1932 Denis O’ Gorman ( Holycross Ballycahill), 1933 Joe Fletcher (Roscrea), 1934 Con Maher (Thurles Sarsfields), 1947 Paddy Kenny (BorrisIleigh), 1949 John O’ Grady (Moycarkey Borris), 1952 Tony Wall (Thurles Sarsfields), 1953 Billy Quinn (Rahealty), 1955 Ray Reidy(Thurles Sarsfields), 1956 Pat Ryan ( Moycarkey Borris) , 1957 Jimmy Doyle (Thurles Sarsfields), 1959 Larry Kiely ( Gortnahoe Glengoole), 1976 Joe Hogan (Roscrea), 1980 Jim Maher ( Loughmore Castleiney), 1982 John Kennedy (Clonoulty Rossmore), 1996 William Maher (Ballingarry), 2006 Joey Mc Loughney (Toomevara) and 2007 Brendan Maher (Borris-Ileigh). Record setting Ballingarry’s William Maher, who played at midfield, led Tipperary to Munster and All Ireland Minor honours in 1996. In the Provincial final, at Limerick, one of his Waterford opponents was Ken Mc Grath who that Summer achieved a notable milestone of playing championship hurling at three grades. Tipperary were three point winners in the Senior first round game at Walsh Park and ten point victors in the Minor Final, while the Under 21 grade also proved to be a disappointment for Ken. Four years later, Tipperary’s Eoin Kelly also achieved the feat of playing Minor, Under 21 and Senior Hurling in the same year. Just like Ken, Eoin finished all three campaigns without achieving victory at Provincial or All Ireland level. Nowadays Ken is a Waterford Senior hurling selector, William Maher, a former Dublin Minor Coach, is Bainisteoir of the Tipperary Minor team and Eoin Kelly, All Ireland winning Senior captain in 2010, is his brother-in-law. One down Niall Quinn, who played at right corner forward for Dublin in the 1983 All Ireland Minor final, failed to emulate his father Billy by winning All Ireland honours in the grade. In that final loss to Galway (0-10 to 0-7) he was unable to reproduce his scoring prowess from the Leinster final when he recorded 3-5 against Wexford. Galway’s winning captain - of their first ever successful Minor team - was current Senior Bainisteoir, Anthony Cunningham, who had previously played in the 1981 and 1982 final losses to Kilkenny and Tipperary respectively. Five special minors Only five hurlers have managed to win three All Ireland titles at Minor level, Tipp and Cork produced two each, while Offaly had the fifth and most recent addition to the exclusive club. The special five are: Kevin Mc Grath, Glen Rovers, Cork,1937 (Sub), 1938 (Captain) and 1939; John Buckley Newtownshandrum, Cork, 1969 (Sub.) 1970 and 1971 (Captain); Jimmy Doyle and Mick Craddock, Thurles Sarsfields, Tipperary, 1955,1956 and 1957.The Offaly man is John Troy, Lusmagh,1986 (Sub.), 1987 and 1989 Source : http://tipperary.gaa.ie/latestnews/all-irelandminorhurlingfinal-tipperaryplayerprofilesinformation

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