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Bleak winter ahead for Gaelscoil children in Clondalkin
postman
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06-Oct-2008 20:24
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Children and Teachers at Gaelscoil na Camoige in Clondalkin are facing yet another icy winter in their dilapadated "pre-fabs" after the school failed to feature on the Schools building project: announced by Education Minister Batt O Keefe last week.
Given the massive billions spent on the Red Cow, Banks bailout, and M50 this is an outrageous attitude to education and the Irish language.
rebelhorse
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06-Oct-2008 20:28
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Gaescoil in Carlow was in prefabs for 25 yrs...don`t get me started!!
tributary
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06-Oct-2008 20:38
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serious question .
but are GS set up locally . is it local parents setting up these schools and then requesting the funding as they expand .
i am serious here and i am a passionate supporter of the language .
scalder
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06-Oct-2008 21:23
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I think Meanscol Garman in Wexford town is another school in prefabs, also Scoil Barra in Cabra is in prefabs on the grounds of the local GAA club, honestly I think FF don`t want to see the language revived.
One of their official aims is:
(ii ) To develop a distinctive national life in accordance with the diverse traditions and ideals of the Irish people as part of a broader European culture, and to restore and promote the Irish language as a living language of the people.
James Bond Junior
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06-Oct-2008 21:58
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Straying off topic slightly now, but is the current way of teaching Irish in our secondry schools really going to "restore and promote the Irish language as a living language of the people"?
nlgbbbblth
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06-Oct-2008 22:33
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Originally posted by James Bond Junior:
Straying off topic slightly now, but is the current way of teaching Irish in our secondry schools really going to "restore and promote the Irish language as a living language of the people"?
It should.
Nothing wrong with the way it`s taught.
James Bond Junior
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06-Oct-2008 22:45
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Originally posted by nlgbbbblth:
It should.
Nothing wrong with the way it`s taught.
I`d disagree, i cant see how learning off an answer on the theme of "Gealt" or "Nil aon Ni" is helping anyone to learn how to practicly use Irish.
Kevo
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07-Oct-2008 00:47
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Originally posted by nlgbbbblth:
It should.
Nothing wrong with the way it`s taught.
Should be at least 90% oral, no poems, no prose...Save that for the lads who study it in college.....
OD28
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07-Oct-2008 09:31
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Originally posted by nlgbbbblth:
It should.
Nothing wrong with the way it`s taught.
There`s plenty wrong with the way it`s taught. The secondary curriculum assumes that everyone coming through the door has learned the basics of grammar, vocabulary etc in primary school, which just isn`t realistic. Maybe if the focus at Junior Cert was entirely on teaching language skills and then move onto poetry, novels etc for honours LC, it might be a more practical way of teaching people how to actually speak it.
long danny
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07-Oct-2008 13:25
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Originally posted by nlgbbbblth:
It should.
Nothing wrong with the way it`s taught.
Nonsense. If there was nothing wrong with the way it was being taught we would all speak it with at least enough fluency to be able to communicate.
ballygowan
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07-Oct-2008 17:01
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Originally posted by nlgbbbblth:
It should.
Nothing wrong with the way it`s taught.
Eh yes there is. Compared to they way French and German in secondary schools (which is very poor compared to how languages are taught on the Continent ) the teaching of Irish is some way behind. The curriculum is completely outdated and needs to be overhauled.
scalder
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07-Oct-2008 17:11
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I think we need to put Irish into a context for pupils and maybe something like ‘Irish Studies’ would be a way of doing this, make the spoken language 50% of this with the reminder addressing the history of the language and Irish traditions etc – could be a leaving cert subject.
rebelhorse
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07-Oct-2008 17:33
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Originally posted by tributary:
serious question .
but are GS set up locally . is it local parents setting up these schools and then requesting the funding as they expand .
Schools are set up where there is demand, but have to be sanctioned by the DES
manfromdelmonte
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07-Oct-2008 17:40
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if the parents, kids and teachers are committed to it then the children can be brilliant at Irish
postman
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07-Oct-2008 20:11
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We delivered 100000 houses, Mways blah blah blah. Pity small investment in education.
Rúdaí an tábhactach- ag foghlaim gaeilge.
The Dáil is about to be given a face lift. How about the Gaelscoilenna, national schools etc.
James Bond Junior
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07-Oct-2008 20:35
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I think it should be be broken up into to two subjects. Irish and Irish Studies, as someone suggested. Everyone would be required to do Irish but Irish Studies is an advanced version and would be optional. Keep the lower version completely for providing everyone with the ability to read and write the language in a practical way. Grammer, vocab, oral work etc. I think there are plenty of teenagers out there who would love to be able to speak their native tongue, but unless you were lucky enough to be born in a Gaelteacht its just really not possible.
Cill an Daingin Abu
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07-Oct-2008 21:23
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It`s not only Gaelscoil na Camoige in Clondalkin who will be experiencin an icy winter, this is an issue across the country Gaelscoileanna and English language schools ina measc.
As regards the teachin of Irish the focus has been drawn away from grammar and the structure of the language in primary schools and it has become more language orientated. Therefore it would be counter productive to base the Junior Cert Irish Curriculum solely on structure and grammar. The way forward is to have the language orally based with grammatical points been taught in connection with the oral work. The sacred grammar book is what turned generations of people off the language in the 1st place. That and brutal teachers who instead of inspiring actually caused students to fear the language. I teach Irish to adults at night and the general consensus is exactly as above. Having it language based makes it all the more enjoyable and as a consequence easier to learn.
I would have no poetry on the Junior Cert as there is plenty of time to learn that if an individual so wishes when they go on to college. The reading material should be as modern and relevant to today`s society as possible.
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