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GAA TV blackout a big own goal
offaly
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By MARTIN BREHENY
Irish Independent
Wednesday January 19 2011
TG4 resumed live GAA coverage last Sunday, taking their cameras to Drogheda for the Louth-Wicklow O`Byrne Cup game, and will continue over the coming months with AIB club championship and National League action.
It`s an excellent service from a station that has always been good at spotting an opening and been smart enough to negotiate its way through it. The only downside is that since the majority of viewers have only a sketchy knowledge of the Irish language, they can`t enjoy the coverage as much as if the commentaries were in English. And in fairness, that`s quite a drawback.
Still, it`s not TG4`s problem since their brief is essentially as an Irish language station. They will share live league coverage with Setanta before RTE, TV3 and BBC take over for the senior provincial and All-Ireland championships.
Croke Park is delighted with the arrangement, as it spreads coverage across several stations, thereby increasing competitiveness and strengthening bargaining power.
So it`s a good deal all round then? Absolutely not.
However neat the arrangement might look, the reality is that there are no live GAA games universally available on terrestrial English-speaking stations between the end of September and mid-May. That`s almost eight months when the GAA concedes the main TV channels to other sports, principally soccer and rugby.
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Soccer coverage is spread across the entire week while rugby is concentrated on Friday/ Saturday/Sunday. It`s a double blitz that dominates the TV sports schedules, leaving the GAA very much in the shadows, with their games shown live on an Irish language station and a subscription channel.
Out of sight is out of mind but, for some inexplicable reason, the GAA seems quite happy to allow its main rivals to dominate mainline TV coverage for two-thirds of the year.
Surely, they should have insisted in their negotiations with RTE that they showed some league games live? The GAA create d the packages so they could break them up anyway they wanted, in which case the aim should have been to increase the spread of live coverage on RTE/TV3 beyond the May-September period.
An autumn start to the leagues would have been helpful in that regard.
The championship is the big prize pursued by all channels so it`s not as if the GAA have no bargaining power.
Note how domestic soccer has its own Monday night magazine programme on RTE during the League of Ireland season, yet there`s nothing similar for GAA, even during the championship. Given that all championship games are played on Saturday/Sunday, there`s a clear need for a weekday magazine programme, yet there hasn`t been one for a few years.
The GAA appears to be blissfully unconcerned about having no regular GAA programme on RTE television between early October and February. nor do they regard it as important to have any live coverage on the national broadcaster between early October and mid-May. Then, it`s into overdrive (probably even overkill ) for the summer months before heading back into the drought.
With soccer and rugby available from all parts of the globe on a 52-week basis, it`s extraordinary how the GAA are happy to have such long gaps in its coverage.
With a little more imaginative fixture planning, there`s no reason why Friday night games couldn`t be introduced to the league programme. Even one game per week __ carefully select ed between counties who are close to each other __ would suffice for live TV.
Croke Park contends that it`s necessary to close down the inter-county scene for several months to leave room for club activity, but there are risks in leaving the landscape clear for rival sports to dominate the TV schedules.
Besides, many players are not involved in club action in October and November but they have no other outlet either unless, of course, they turn to soccer and/or rugby.
RTE showed 5hrs 15mins of soccer and rugby highlights last Saturday and Sunday night, while continuing with live coverage on a regular basis throughout most of the year. Meanwhile, the first live GAA action on RTE isn`t until May. As indigenous sports, played in a small country on the western rim of Europe, Gaelic football and hurling need consistent TV exposure to compete with global brands. That should include the GAA insisting in their TV deals that RTE, in particular, spreads the coverage more evenly than their current contracts stipulates.
Instead, they leave the October-May period to an Irish language station and a subscription channel. Big mistake.
anlaoch
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19-Jan-2011 10:12
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Mr Breheny is correct
EastStand
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19-Jan-2011 10:14
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A lot of very valid points in that article - especially in relation to a say Monday night magazine to go through the games at the weekend.
Also very much in favour in bringing back League games for November - 2 rounds could easily be run off. Not many lads are still involved with the club in that month and it gives counties something to look forward to late in the year. Have very fond memories of going to League games in November when I was young.
KeepOnHurling
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19-Jan-2011 10:23
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Don`t forget the 12-month long black-out they have on everybody outside of Ireland who aren`t near a pub where they can pay in to watch the GAA games
Heshs Umpire
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19-Jan-2011 10:35
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It`s a pity TG4 don`t have a "red button" option to opt for an English language commentary option as S4C sometimes do.
Personally, I have no bother with the Irish commentary but I suppose it puts a lot of people off.
formosa
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19-Jan-2011 11:20
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Originally posted by Heshs Umpire:
It`s a pity TG4 don`t have a "red button" option to opt for an English language commentary option as S4C sometimes do.
Personally, I have no bother with the Irish commentary but I suppose it puts a lot of people off.
Which would you prefer? Understanding bits & pieces of the Irish commentary or Ger Canning?
the former for me every time.
tribe15
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19-Jan-2011 11:35
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eistigi lads, go and learn cupla focail Gaeilge and stop complaining...
jack daw
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19-Jan-2011 11:42
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Originally posted by tribe15:
eistigi lads, go and learn cupla focail Gaeilge and stop complaining...
maith an fear! Ta an ceart leat.
Heshs Umpire
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Originally posted by formosa:
Which would you prefer? Understanding bits & pieces of the Irish commentary or Ger Canning?
the former for me every time.
The former for me every time too.
Just think that an English language option would broaden the appeal. Or maybe they could recruit Micheál O`M for his fantastic bilingual commentaries?
EastStand
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After 10 years of learning Irish in schools, you`d imagine everyone would be able to understand what was going on to some degree. As for any people that came into the country, a lot of them struggle with English and few have any interest anyway, so I`ve no problem with it being in Irish - in fact, why not broadcast the games exclusively in Irish on all the stations. Better than listing to Marty and Ger drone on with their sterile Americanised accents.
Deer Assassin
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Excellent piece.
This is a massive issue in my opinion.
All national radio stations will fill us in on live cross channel scores and there wont be a word on live GAA scores (McGrath Cup, O`Byrne Cup, Waterford Crystal etc... )
This is a f**king joke.
The media needs to take more pride in our indigenous game.
Equalizer
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19-Jan-2011 12:02
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How many years has it been since RTE did away with "The Game on Monday".
Dariog
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19-Jan-2011 12:13
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Originally posted by EastStand:
After 10 years of learning Irish in schools, you`d imagine everyone would be able to understand what was going on to some degree. As for any people that came into the country, a lot of them struggle with English and few have any interest anyway, so I`ve no problem with it being in Irish - in fact, why not broadcast the games exclusively in Irish on all the stations. Better than listing to Marty and Ger drone on with their sterile Americanised accents.
The manner in which Irish is taught in schools does not lead to any sort of fluency in the language. I, like most users here, did Irish for 13 years in school. I got a B in Honours Irish in the Leaving Cert. However, I know that if I had gone over to the Gaeltacht the day after my Irish exam I would not have been able to hold a conversation in Irish with the locals. Now, a good few years later, I reckon I can follow no more than 10% of what is being said on the TG4 commentaries. Now, you may say it`s my fault I`m not more proficient in speaking the language. My point though is that, despite it being my least favourite subject in school, I could achieve a good grade and still remain unable to speak the language fluently after 13 years. There must be something wrong with that system.
redlead
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19-Jan-2011 12:18
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Agree 100% I`ve been saying this for years
I_Love
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19-Jan-2011 12:22
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Originally posted by Deer Assassin:
Excellent piece.
This is a massive issue in my opinion.
All national radio stations will fill us in on live cross channel scores and there wont be a word on live GAA scores (McGrath Cup, O`Byrne Cup, Waterford Crystal etc... )
This is a f**king joke.
The media needs to take more pride in our indigenous game.
The games need to be marketed better and an interest in them create d. The radio stations won`t bother with scores for games if people don`t care. I was away with a group of lads at the weekend and all the talk was of Spurs v United, no one cared about McGrath or O`Byrne cup games, that is if they even knew they were being played.
As for the commentary on TG4, would there be any harm in putting an English speaking co-commentator there to chip in from time to time? I love Irish but I`m terrible at it and I`m afraid it does make watching a game like Louth v Wicklow less attractive.
redlead
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Originally posted by Dariog:
The manner in which Irish is taught in schools does not lead to any sort of fluency in the language. I, like most users here, did Irish for 13 years in school. I got a B in Honours Irish in the Leaving Cert. However, I know that if I had gone over to the Gaeltacht the day after my Irish exam I would not have been able to hold a conversation in Irish with the locals. Now, a good few years later, I reckon I can follow no more than 10% of what is being said on the TG4 commentaries. Now, you may say it`s my fault I`m not more proficient in speaking the language. My point though is that, despite it being my least favourite subject in school, I could achieve a good grade and still remain unable to speak the language fluently after 13 years. There must be something wrong with that system.
That`s because as soon as you go into secondary school, you stop learning Irish and you start studying it (poems and short stories etc. ) . Unless you are a fluent Irish speaker at 12, you will never speak it.
There is no use for the language anyway (unless you have a personal interest in it ) , it certainly shouldn`t be forced on people in schools.
deiseach
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He might have a point. It never ceases to amaze me how many people can`t find certain buttons on their remote, so Little Britain will get two million viewers on BBC2 then seven million on BBC1. The same phenomenon certainly applies to TG4.
But I notice he doesn`t mention the millions -
I`ve seen figures of €4-5 million
bandied about - that the FAI had to knock off their contract with RTÉ to get them to show MNS, a programme that is
not universally loved by the soccer fraternity
. Would the FAI make the same choice now? I doubt it.
beauty
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Originally posted by Dariog:
The manner in which Irish is taught in schools does not lead to any sort of fluency in the language. I, like most users here, did Irish for 13 years in school. I got a B in Honours Irish in the Leaving Cert. However, I know that if I had gone over to the Gaeltacht the day after my Irish exam I would not have been able to hold a conversation in Irish with the locals. Now, a good few years later, I reckon I can follow no more than 10% of what is being said on the TG4 commentaries. Now, you may say it`s my fault I`m not more proficient in speaking the language. My point though is that, despite it being my least favourite subject in school, I could achieve a good grade and still remain unable to speak the language fluently after 13 years. There must be something wrong with that system.
This is true, have to say I would gladly pay for TG4 over here, some really great programmes, but a lot of time they won`t broadcast outside of Ireland.
While I can get by on the commentary, couple of Northern Gaa chaps I know never had any Irish growing up, so again lost on them.
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Breheny is spot on. GAA are ______- poor at marketing.
Classic example. St paddys Day. 100k tourist in town. All around O`Connell street - 5 mins from CP. Not a bit of advertising (promo stands/ticket booths etc ) to get 5-10k tourists up to CP to see unique irish sports (one in each code available )
Amazes me when you consider the renowned business gurus at the helm with years of consitent performance in the likes of FAS
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Originally posted by I_Love_Tom_Humphries:
As for the commentary on TG4, would there be any harm in putting an English speaking co-commentator there to chip in from time to time? I love Irish but I`m terrible at it and I`m afraid it does make watching a game like Louth v Wicklow less attractive.
100% in agreement with that. A "red" button for English commentary would be great but i`m sure TG4`s budget is stretched to the limit.
The problem as i see it is, TG4 are showing some great games, but they`re not high profile and sorry to say it but having the commentary and analysisin irish makes them less attractive to watch to english speakers with little or no irish. effectively you`re making a hard sell harder.
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Originally posted by rebus2008:
Breheny is spot on. GAA are ______- poor at marketing.
Classic example. St paddys Day. 100k tourist in town. All around O`Connell street - 5 mins from CP. Not a bit of advertising (promo stands/ticket booths etc ) to get 5-10k tourists up to CP to see unique irish sports (one in each code available )
Amazes me when you consider the renowned business gurus at the helm with years of consitent performance in the likes of FAS
Croke Park should be full on St. Patrick`s Day. Turn it into a festival. Have some trad bands playing, face-painting for kids, that kind of thing. Advertise all around the city in every language. Have leaflets in every hotel and hostel. Make the tickets cheap, as you said, sell them in town if possible. And print out the basic rules! All my foreign friends tend to be intrigued but dismiss GAA due to not understanding the rules. If they kind of thing can`t draw a big crowd then fair enough but it`s surely worth a try.
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Originally posted by offaly:
GAA TV blackout a big own goal
i could sum up the mass media`s attitude to gaa for 6/7 months of the year by the fact that the clown on rte`s tv sports news on sunday declared that tralee IT had beaten clare, even though the correct scoreline was on the screen.
but this apathy towards gaa for most of the year permiates the culture. i was at home on sunday and was fiddling around with the radio to get the clare score. my brother, who would have a decent attendence record in the summer, looked at me like i had two heads.
basically there is an attitude, no matter what the respective playing numbers are, that gaa shouldnt get the same coverage or interest as soccer and rugby. ive often pointed out the morsals for coverage gaa gets in comparison to soccer on off the ball on newstalk, but this anomaly barely raises an eyelid.
the top brass in croke park at the very least acquiesce to this attitude.
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The other problem as I see it, is that if a hurling match is to be covered, it needs a good number of cameras to do it properly. A bit too much of the winter coverage is of the "spot the ball" variety. I don`t mind the commentary and only understanding some of it. I hate not having much idea where the sliotar is.
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Originally posted by KeepOnHurling:
Don`t forget the 12-month long black-out they have on everybody outside of Ireland who aren`t near a pub where they can pay in to watch the GAA games
very true
rorschach resurrected
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If only Martin Beheny could be put in charge of everything. Everything everyone else does is sh1t but Martin knows the answer to every problem. Especially the ones he`s just invented.
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